My 4 year old is fascinated with how everything smells. After my husband gets home from work he has to shower if he wants to be near our son. He tells my 9 year old to go shower or go brush her teeth... because of a smell. Well for about a year he would not touch money. He told us it made his hands stink, so we would wash after playing or touching money. Well now he will not even take a quarter to get a gum ball, we have to put the quarter in the machine for him.
Up until now we were fine with all this but now he will touch NO metal. NONE! Door handles, ladders on playground or pool, screwdriver, dogs food bowl, snap on jeans and so many other things. We just want to make it ok and not so scary for him, to have dirty or metal smelling hands. We taught him to wash his hands for 20 seconds with really perfumed soap and sometimes that works but we shall see how much further this goes????
My husband just laughs and says he will buy him finger cotts to count money or gloves to open doors with... We just have good humor about his little fusses and try not to get frustrated. We have so much to be thankful for, he is the best kid, lovable, sweet and smart.
Everyone who is experiencing metal sensitivities should try balancing their chakra's. There are 7 chakra's and each one serves a purpose for our responses and non-responses toward people, events things (metal) etc. Try that and you will be surprised!
Apr 14, 2012 Rating
thank god i am not alone in this by: Anonymous
I am on the facebook page "metal phobia" s\Support for this chronic inability (more than phobia) could be lifesaving. Long live plastic cutlery (and hey, have you tried wooden spoons and forks too?)
Apr 14, 2012 Rating
researchj by: Anonymous
I would do anything to get a research study done on this!
Apr 13, 2012 Rating
Perhaps it is related to sensory connections in the brain by: Anonymous
I just watched a fascinating program on the science channel that is talking about our senses. To See or Not To See. They are explaining how our brains work and how some people's senses are literally more connected in peoples brains than others so for example some people see colors when they taste food. After watching the program, I wonder if perhaps what happens when you taste metal upon hearing metal scrape, or any other of these phenomena, could be that those sensory parts of your brain, taste and hearing, or touch and taste, are more connected and interacting more than they do with other people...like taste and sight do with synesthesia.
It might be fun to participate in research to find out for sure, but what a relief to think that there might be a very logical reason related to how differently our brains function.
Apr 01, 2012 Rating
I hate metal also. by: Anonymous
I'm sixteen and ever since I was little I HATED to touch metal, I still do. I don't know if its the smell or feel of it but it kind of makes me nauseous. When I was in elementary school I didn't even start wearing jeans until 5th grade because of the zippers and buttons on them. I can't wear necklaces or rings because of the metal. Even today when I go to the store with my parents the have to get the coins from the checkout person.
Mar 06, 2012 Rating
yes, finally by: Anonymous
people ask me all the time and it's hard to explain it to them. i always ask waiters for plasticware. i hate the feeling and sound metal makes in my mouth. sometimes, i can feel electric-like shocks. i always hated the smell of metalware in hot-served plates. sometimes, i'll only use metal in cold cereal, but i'll use my only my lips. all my tools have rubber grips and i wear rubber gloves. coins and cash? i use my debit card for all purchases.
Feb 19, 2012 Rating
support group by: Anonymous
I'd still really like to get a support group going on this - i know someone tried seting up something on facebook, but maybe we could just do a yahoo group? Would anyone join? Email me directly at mellybelly@rogers.com
Feb 13, 2012 Rating
Ow my teeth by: Maggie
What's hilarious about this page, is that the advertisement above is for coins and metals haha I've had the same problem since I was a child. Although not as drastic as some other peoples in here. Mine is mostly related to Tin, Copper, and aluminum. The worst things for me are Bobbie pins, tin cups, pennies, And the absolute worst is the metal part on top of a pencil. Even thinking about these things make my lower teeth ache.
One really odd thing I noticed though, that whenever I rolled money, or accidentally bit the top of a pencil, within a few days I'd develope flu-like symptoms. I rarely ever get sick, but even as a child I secretly blamed it on the metal.
Glad to know you're all out there!
Jan 12, 2012 Rating
Cures by: Anonymous
Part II
You could also arrive in this condition if doctors have prescribed too many antibiotics. the antibiotics will kill off all flora in your gut--good and bad. It creates an opportunity for bad bacteria to establish itself in your gut. Helicobacter pylori is a particularly nasty one that is wide spread. The good bacteria usually can keep it at bay (they say about half of us have it in our system) Unchecked --it will burrow into the mucus lining of the stomach and small intestine and destroy tissue that is responsible for intrinsic factor. The body cannot repair the damage and you will have problems absorbing enough b vitamins and minerals to stay healthy. Further, the same tissue is also responsible for the production of acid. Reduction in acid will allow your system to be overrun with yeast. The mucus lining also protects your stomach from being harmed by the acid--peptic ulcers. Infection by H. pylori can result in ulcers, severe--even fatal yeast infection (mycelial stage), stomach and colon cancer and will result in autoimmune conditions. the automimmune conditions happen because the damage to the lining allows proteins and sugars to be introduced directly into the bloodstream triggering the autoimmune system to produce antibodies which will attack the organs it sees as responsible (mistakenly). High sugar levels in the blood lead to the production of antibodies that attack the pancreas. When the pancreas is damaged enough --the result is diabetes. That you will be chemically sensitive in this case is the least of your worries.
As you age you become more susceptible to infection. Around the age of 50 you loose the ability to produce certain probiotics that until then have helped protect your gut which is why at that age you start becoming susceptible to all sorts of ailments. It is important to take a good probiotic--yogurt is generally not enough. You need a time release that contains bifidus (what you can't produce past around 50. We also don't tend to have enough fiber in our diets and it is recommended to consume several tablespoons of ground flax and a spoonful of flax oil(which is very good for the gut--is thought to fight cancer). Ground flax from Bob's Red Mill--keep refrigerated and it freezes well--we purchase 25# bags.
NAC is often used to help clear up heavy metal poisoning and numerous antioxidants may be helpful to help detox tissues--such as Vitamin E especially Gamma E, Green Tea, Tumeric, and some others. This would help reduce your body burden. You might feel worse for a few days as toxins freed up by any sort of detox will cause you some discomfort as they are eliminated.
Jan 10, 2012 Rating
metal... ugh by: vbg
wow... my friends! :) LOL, I though I was the only one with this problem, I mostly cannot stand touching certain forks or spoons... it drives me nuts, i feel a weird just thinking about it.
Jan 10, 2012 Rating
Cures by: Anonymous
PART 1
Chemical (including metal) sensitivity is more a symptom. There can be numerous conditions that can lead to this. (I posted before that there is most often a physiological problem leading to the behavioral problem and some info about heavy metal poisoning.) I can say some things in general:
The liver helps remove toxins, harmful bacteria, and other strange substances from the body. For example, if you ingest bacterial contamination the gall bladder will excrete bile into the intestines to help eliminate it--loose bowels and possibly nausea--helping the body rid itself of contaminants--likely why contact with some metals makes some of us feel 'wozzy'. Also, if your liver is weak or damaged, you may become chemically sensitive as the body has difficulty removing the contaminant from the blood stream or reducing metals to normal levels. The best supplements to improve liver function is milk thistle (Silymarin) and Alpha-Lipoic Acid. I take 300 mg of Silymarin and 600mg ALA daily.
The Kidneys and Adrenal glands are involved in the regulation of certain minerals along with hormones. Phosphates, Calcium, Magnesium are the main minerals that must be in balance as an overabundance of one will result in deficiencies of the others. Too much calcium relative to magnesium will lead to stones, muscle cramps and twitches, and possibly sensitivity to metals and chemicals. The body tries to maintain metals such as Zinc, Copper, Chromium, and a few other minor ones as part of that balance. Yes--the body needs some copper but too much of anything good in small quantities can be toxic in larger ones. We are all individuals and some of us are likely to be genetically disposed to have certain abnomalies in the regulation of such things. (Some people wear copper braclets in order to absorb some copper into their system to improve their health. Good vitamins will include trace amounts).
As before in earlier posts--heavy metal poisoning or bacterial contamination can cause all sorts of problems. The liver has a certain capacity which is reduced if the liver is damaged from excessive levels, including alcohol. If you have a high body burden due to weak liver, bacterial contamination, drinking alcohol or eating excess sugar and fars--again it will not be able to remove contaminates and you might become sensitive to metals among other things. If the body cannot eliminate toxins via the organs (the normal way) it will try to leach them out thru the skin causing all sorts of skin reactions. Vitamin deficiencies can also play a role. The B and D vitamins for instance are factors. Sugar is actually somewhat a toxin that is regulated in the blood by the pancreas--if it fails to do so you have diabetes which will lead to sensitivities and a host of other problems. Sugar is also removed by the liver. During the holidays we tend to take in a lot more sugar and flu season follows soon after (as the sugar has compromised the immune system).
Jan 09, 2012 Rating
So Glad To Have Found This! by: Anonymous
I'm 51 and have always been extremely sensitive to smells. I too, absorb many different things through my skin, metal included, and can taste it within a few minutes. I have the same problem with anything I put on my skin, including lotions, oils, face creams, etc. I can't wear perfumes, and have trouble when others around me wear it. I can taste it, and I also get a weird smell from it, like it disagrees with my body chemistry. Does anyone know what any of us can do to stop this? Is it something to do with our body chemistry? Maybe our diet? Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make it stop?
Jan 09, 2012 Rating
glad i'm not the only one. by: Anonymous
Is there a cure?
Jan 09, 2012 Rating
woo im not the only one :-) by: Anonymous
I'm a 17 year old girl who has had this problem since I can remember. I actually feel sick in the stomach when I have coins in my hand.... I try to get over it and not be grossed out but I can't help it. Door handles don't bother me as much and neither does cutlery.... when I see someone put a coin in their mouth or a necklace I feel like throwing up, and same with my boyfriend who puts keys in his mouth :/ and his keys stink! When he comes over and kisses me hello he puts his hand on my neck and I push it away because his been holding his keys and it makes his hand smell like them :/ or when somebody wants me to hold their keys for them I only use one finger or I hold all of them in my hand and try to get over it but I can't. I thought I was the only one with this problem! Now I don't feel stupid lol. Does anyone know if there's a cure?
Jan 04, 2012 Rating
I am so happy I found this!! by: Anonymous
I have had a phobia of touching or holding metal in particular coins since I was a child. I am now 26 years of age and nothing has changed. People ask is it because it's dirty. NO! My only explanation is I hate the feel of it! It makes me physically sick to see a coin sitting on the table or chair beside me in particular the copper ones, if im eating and a small metally thing is beside me I gag! I never wear jewellery and if I am ever to get married I will in no way wear a ring! To this day, I still can't properly describe what this is other than the feel and the sight of coins, etc makes me sick!! HELP!! :)
Dec 16, 2011 Rating
Nickel and Heavy Metal Poisoning by: Anonymous
To supplement my recent post--I would also look into Heavy Metal Poisoning. Nickel can provoke an allergic reaction including from handling coins. Mercury poisoning or poisoning from several other heavy metals could also underly a behaviorial reaction.
For example From: http://tuberose.com/Heavy_Metal_Toxicity.html
"By handling coins and touching other metals containing nickel. The most common adverse health effect of nickel in humans is an allergic reaction."
Dec 16, 2011 Rating
physiological v. behavorial by: Anonymous
My aversion while young was not quite as severe but i have always had reactions to touching metal. I didn't develop behavioral aversions but suffered various complications--generally it made me feel bad in ways hard to describe--slightly nauseous, sometimes a feeling of vertigo, itchy in areas of contact, taste of metal, etc... I never wore jewelry until graduating from high school. I could not wear my grad ring more than a couple of days. I would start feeling sickish and by a couple days would have skin peeling off underneath and between fingers. i can't wear gold or silver jewelry to this day. Handling coins often can make me feel sick in general and makes my hands feel weird and dirty. Handling aluminum often causes lightheadedness, a severe metallic taste in the mouth that makes my teeth feel weird.
Metals are absorbed through the skin and oversensitivity to metal content can have all sorts of physical reasons. We have metal balances within us that can be out of whack and exacerbate this. I don't have a problem with stainless steel and can wear stainless steel jewelry just fine.
The point is that there can be physiological reasons underlying what is often seen as a behavioral problem. I can state that the reactions of others to your 'behavior' can be the worse torture of such a condition.
There are many possible causes of seeming allergies to metals but magnesium deficiency and liver perhaps kidney problems stand out. Magnesium deficiency is common and i have problems absorbing it. My organs aren't so great either and more so i have regulatory problems with my adrenal glands (Addisons) that affect the balances of minerals (including metals) in my system.
If i had a child who had a problem with touching coins i would experiment with stainless steel to see if it is behavioral or physiological. My understanding is that stainless steel will not be absorbed into the skin and few experience any sort of allergic reaction to it. If the child has no problems handling some stainless steel coins (have some made up at a metal shop) or stainless utensils i would expect the child is reacting to a real unpleasant sensation or experience from handling coins --silver, copper, perhaps nickel. I don't feel a shock from it but still can feel sickish from handling a bunch of coins.
Dec 04, 2011 Rating
Added :) by: Anonymous
See you guys over there. How come you didn't make it a group or a page? Then you wouldn't have to friend all these "strangers" :) haha
Dec 03, 2011 Rating
fb by: Anonymous
Well, "Forum" why didn't I think of that? Darn! That is very clever :) lol
Dec 03, 2011 Rating
fb page by: Anonymous
should it have been titled "nometal forum"?
Dec 03, 2011 Rating
facebook paids for metal phobia - the few, the proud, the plastic cutlery people! by: Anonymous
I'm in - lets try and get more supporters!
Dec 02, 2011 Rating
Lithium Orotate? by: Anonymous
Lithium is a metal. Interesting that someone takes it to combat a phobia. Fight fire with fire.
Nov 30, 2011 Rating
fb is set up by: MJ
Okay I set up a Facebook. Friend me at Nometal Forme I hope to have time to add resources often and good links but it also takes you guys to log on and share. :) see you on fb.
Nov 30, 2011 Rating
facebook paids for metal phobia - the few, the proud, the plastic cutlery people! by: Anonymous
If you set up a page, let me know. I am not proud - but god i would love to discuss it and coping methods! I have considered hypnotism - has anyone tried it? Over 30 years if this is really tough.
Nov 30, 2011 Rating
I'm in for Facebook. by: Anonymous
Should we just be loud and proud about it? "The few...the proud...METALLOPHOBICS." Or try and make it somewhat discreet?
I'm happy to start one if we have more people.
Nov 29, 2011 Rating
facebook page for metal aversion sufferers? by: Anonymous
I'd love to get on a Facebook page to discuss this. My metal aversion has a severe impact on my life and i would really like to understand it better through other peoples experiences. Who's in for a Facebook support group??
Nov 29, 2011 Rating
Me too. by: Anonymous
Wow, so nice to see that I'm not the only one (although I'm not glad you all have to deal with this). I'm a 40 year old female. The only other place I've seen something related online is here
http://www.unusualphobias.com/jewelry.html
I found the person's comment about angel hair pasta very interesting--it bothers me somewhat but I never connected it to the metal thing.
When metal touches my teeth, I get that feeling that must be the feeling that some people get with nails on a chalkboard. I don't think that's part of the phobia, just a sensitivity issue.
I get part of my mouth numbed when I get regular dental cleanings done. However, metal touching my lips and tongue *is* part of it. I've had this aversion as long as I remember, no trauma that I know of, and it's not "forever" since there's a smiling photo of me at 2 years old smiling with my parents' key ring in my mouth!
Jewelry is the worst, and I eat mostly with plastic utensils at home. Sometimes I eat with metal just to try and decondition myself, but it's always a relief to get back to plastic. I've developed this way to eat where the fork/spoon doesn't touch my tongue. People don't notice it unless I point it out, and then they think it's pretty weird looking.
It's small metal that I don't like. Big things like airplanes, faucets and subway poles I'm OK with. I don't like dealing with coins, especially dimes.
Whenever I can I use tools made from companies like OXO with the rubber grip, and I get scissors with plastic handles, etc. I don't like metal pens either, and I can't stand those metal chains that are sometimes attached to the pen at certain businesses. Yuck!
Clinking silverware together (or scraping the knife inside the fork tines) used to bother me a lot more than it does now.
Mine doesn't involve taste or smell.
If someone I know or someone on TV (etc) is wearing jewelry and I notice it. It's very hard for me to be attracted to people wearing any.
I've rigged up my keys with those colored things on the fat ends, and I've got a leather shoelace threaded through the holes: no jangling!
I also don't like the words--chain, ring, necklace, etc etc. Thanks for letting me talk about this--it's pretty weird to my friends Although I know three people with similar things--one with wood, one with wool, and one with ceramic tile. Soooo..they're not allowed to think I'm *that* weird.
I think we should start a Facebook page!!
Nov 27, 2011 Rating
Serious metal aversion by: Mel
I am 38 yrs old and have suffered from debilitating metal version (esp cutlery) since i was about 5 years old. I have often felt alone in the phobia. Its helps to read these posts.
I don't think there is a cure for me.
Nov 12, 2011 Rating
i really need to know what this is? :-( by: Anonymous
every time a metal spoon touches someone's teeth i can actually get all jittery and i feel like a current passing thru my body and its not even funny. The this is that i think i've always had this prob but now has become extreme! Its causing me a lotta problems! Everybody makes fun of out loud! And think like there's something seriously wrong. I need to kno wat this is. It is bothering me a lot these days. :-( plz help me. Its killin my self confidence.
Nov 10, 2011 Rating
my son hates metal by: Anonymous
Our son is four and a half. We have recently seen a behavior expert and they say at this stage we should just ignore it. Easier said than done. They insist on not making an issue of it as the child knows they will get a reaction from doing it. We have tried but it is very frustrating when it is done. Reward charts are a no no as again you are making a big deal of it.
We had a day a few weeks ago when i couldn't bear it anymore. This again i had to try and avoid him seeing as he will pick up on it. A few days later i had a one to one with him and asked why? Very difficult for a four year old to be able to explain this in the first place. I then asked how it made him feel and explained that sometimes it makes me feel like that to try and empathize. I also said that it's silly and can affect simple things we do and can often get in the way of us having fun and how silly it was. Also the fact, which is my main issue, that he can pick up all sorts of bugs in public or have an accident as he simply doesn't want to hold the handrail.
I asked him to try harder to forget about it. The results have been remarkable. Not there yet as he often has a problem with my partners bracelet. More often than not though these events are exaggerated when he is tired. When he is busy or otherwise occupied it is forgotten about.
Again the expert advice is to not make a big deal of it but as i said, it's easier said than done.
Nov 04, 2011 Rating
Touching Tin Foil by: Anonymous
I've got it too. It was strong when I was young. I could taste nickles when I touched them. It went away, but now at 35 it is back. But now I can control it a bit more. When I hold tin foil I taste it in my mouth and its overpowering. Makes my mouth pucker? It's not ADHD these children are special gifts from the universe. Their sensitivity will manifest as psychism and healing when they get older. Try lithium orotate occasionally to help with the moodiness from the over-stimulation and sensitivity. It is available without a prescription. Just google it.
Oct 10, 2011 Rating
Joanna by: Anonymous
http://www.additudemag.com/
check out that site has a bunch of sensory issues articles and how they can and cannot be associated with ADHD from all my reading ADHD/Aspergers/Autism are considered by many physicians to be on a sliding scale or spectrum if that makes any sense
Oct 09, 2011 Rating
hi 19 year old male by: Joanna
My sons school are asking me to take him for a diagnosis for ADHD. Thank you for posting as this is the 'behavior' link I was hoping to get an answer for.
Oct 09, 2011 Rating
I completely understand by: Anonymous
I'm 19 male and I have to say I don't smell my hands well actually yes but not in public but when I touch metal things its gross and it totally disturbs me.
I don't have a problem with the smell of my key i put in the door at my house or any door handles in my house they are all stainless not that old. New door handles or usually stainless are ok.
But older metals and the smell the more pungent ones are terrible I absolutely cannot stand them I just realized this a few minutes ago this is crazy and I believe it has something to do we me having some kind of Sensory but more along the ADHD lines which I was recently diagnosed.
Thanks for bringing this up and all these comments I like to see I'm not the only one.
Oct 03, 2011 Rating
Cant touch meta with wet hands ... by: Anonymous
My son is the same he always smells his hands after touching metal but he cant touch metal with wet hands why is this ???
Sep 25, 2011 Rating
SAME HERE by: Anonymous
Oh god I thought I was only one..I'm 14 I use forks,spoons and knifes that are part metal/plastic, It hurts when someone is cleaning the knifes(you know..when both metals touch) I can't stand using jewelry, It feels..I don't know..when I try to used them I just want to take them off already..And in my birthdays there's always someone who give me jewelry. I don´t know what to name it..But I don´t know sometimes I think I smell it but most of the time I don`t..Sorry if I can´t explain myself..
Sep 12, 2011 Rating
Galvanic Reaction by: Hrtofluv
I think I have found the reason. Google it - journal of dental research has actually gone some research about it. I think those that have the metal aversion - might possibly higher metal concentrations in their blood. Just a thought! Wish everyone the best!
Aug 23, 2011 Rating
teeth irratation? by: Anonymous
the reason i took time to look for a site like this is because any time certain metal scrapes other metal it irritates my teeth.ive been trying to look for the reason y
Aug 22, 2011 Rating
hi Anonymous by: Joanna
my son also smells his hands and fingers continually after touching metal, the sip on his jacket etc.. he has only unconsciously approved wearing-one recently for years he protested anything with a zip even before he could talk, (I never understood what the problem was) he asks me to remove my jewelry before giving him a cuddle. He has shared with me that he has alot of problems at school as there is metal everywhere though he has just recently started touching/using the water bubbler. We are starting our second round of pediatricians Drs and developmental therapist next week as he is having major issues at school with learning and behavior. Im not sure if anyone else who has a child with this quirk also has behavioral problems and I ask if it goes hand in hand??
Aug 22, 2011 Rating
Hello Tricky by: Anonymous
am so happy you find my posts. I hope knowing you and your son are not alone helps a little.
First off, do not let him hide it but do take your time and give him space to sort out his feelings when you let him know that you are aware of it... My son will try to hide after he touches something he will turn his head and smell his hands and we will ask him what it smells like or I will offer to wash with him. At first he denied it but I took it slow and did not push the matter. I just try to support him and not make a big deal of it. I do not want him to think he is strange but AI also do not promote it. So now he will tell me yes or no when he smells his hands or he asks me sometimes before he grabs a door knob or metal object if it smells. I just feel it he has someone who knows and doesn't try to change him he feels better about it and he gets braver to try to touch things and get through it, he does not freak out about it as much he gets through it. Last week he grabbed something out of my car and then discovered it was stored in a compartment with loose change so he got very uncomfortable but he calmed down very quickly and when we got out of the car he went and washed his hands. A few years ago he would have really been upset if that happened, so we are making progress. I do not think this is something that ever goes away and I except that I just try to let him know I am hear for him and I know his secret and I will be here to help and make him feel that he should not be ashamed. Team spots help build his self esteem and he does not seem to be as sensitive when he is feeling proud and confident in himself, for some reason. I think a little anxiety is associated with how sensitive he is to touching certain things. This weekend he was sliding down the poles in the pool, with no problem, I was surprised but I did not say anything to remind him that it was metal, he was playing and happy. He also learned to hold coins by the edge with 2 fingers and he has convinced himself that the edges do not bother him so much as the flat surface of the coins? I think it all comes down to being his allies and giving him coping tools to make it easier.
Good luck to you and your children, MJ
Aug 21, 2011 Rating
teeth sensitivity by: Anonymous
I have this problem as well but have always thought it might have something to do with the filling in my teeth. No one ever understands when I say metal makes my "teeth hurt". Going to the dentist is painful because I can't stand the metal touching my teeth! I wish I knew what it was or if it has anything to do with the mercury in fillings... I have noticed the fillings that are of porcelain do not bother me.
Aug 12, 2011 Rating
son hates metal by: joanne Buckley
my son has behavior problems and hates metal.. im wondering if there is a connection he is 7 and has hated metal for years/// i cant find info on it.
Aug 11, 2011 Rating
my son hates metal by: Tricky
Further to your article Melissa, i could have written it myself! Our four year old son has the same behaviour. What steps are you taking so far as i could sure use some advice? If we pull him up on it he starts to try and hide it which is only going to make natters worse for us. (London)
Aug 10, 2011 Rating
Grrrrrrrr..... by: Anonymous
i too have this terrible terrible sort of an allergy to the sound of 2 metals clashing or scraping against each other!
even the thought of it gives me creeps! i actually felt the creeps right now, even while writing about them and imagining...
if someone is playing with a fork and a spoon and scraping them against the other, i cud die with the noise... i too have the same issue with cooking or washing vessels as someone posted... i don't wash them all at once...
im therefore planning to get heat resistant rubber/plastic spatulas for cooking...
Aug 02, 2011 Rating
Wow by: Anonymous
OMG So I had to take my necklace off because the brassy smell and decided to google this since I have realize that every time I smell copper like metal,gives me the chills. I thought it was just me, glad Im not the only one. Its mostly old rusted metal that does this the most. Money and keys also give me that feeling but not as much as the rusty or fake jewelry.
Aug 01, 2011 Rating
The sound hurts!!! by: Anonymous
I have a metal refrigerator and I cant Listen to someone rub their hand on it, the sound makes me cringe and I can't even touch the fridge on my on because the feel. I am also allergic to cast iron it leaves irrational bumps which I don't know if it has anything to do with it. I have suffered with this metal sensitivity for about the last 2 years I'm only 15 and I really wish I knew how long will this last and what is it but I'm really happy I'm not the only person with this
Jul 17, 2011 Rating
Sends vibrations through my teeth that are immobilizing by: Anonymous
I have had the scraping metal sensitivity at lease from my college years until now (30 y/o F). I hate putting away dishes and when I wash, I wash utensils one by one to prevent the sensation. It's only certain types of metals. I literally am immobilized for a few seconds when it occurs. I am healthy as well. Some digging has led me in the direction of some sort of frequency sensitivity or oscillation issue. I cook with metals. I find myself being overly careful not to rub the metal together. I have noticed it becoming more of a problem as the years go by. I'm glad I found this site and hope people continue to share and help dig into reasons this happens.
Jul 08, 2011 Rating
The cure for me by: Callan
Hey, what you've said your son is experiencing is identical to what i've had all my life. I've always hated the smell and feel of Brassy/Coppery metals like money.
When i went up to high school (about 11/12) i realised i couldnt go through life avoiding touching and smelling metal and as i've matured i've learnt to deal with it more and more. For example, I used to only use plastic knives/forks, now i can use stainless steel.
I am 19 years old now, and even though i dont let my girlfriend wear jewellery around me (hehe) i've come a long way. So basically, as your son grows up he will mature and overcome these problems in his own way. Maybe never completely but aslong as he is comfortable enough for himself it shouldnt be something for you to worry about. :)
PS. The biggest breakthrough i had was learning to play Guitar. It helped me overcome touching metal dramatically because its enjoyable and rewarding and providing the strings are brand new they dont leave a strong smell. (even though i still occasionally wash my hands after playing nowadays)
Jun 13, 2011 Rating
Metal Sensitivity by: Anne
I am so glad I found this website! I too thought I was alone and that people just thought I was crazy and being over dramatic. About 3 years ago (when I was 28) I started to notice that I was becoming extremely sensitive to metallic noises. The sounds of scraping from forks and knives cutting food and , metal bowls clanking with each other, and TIN FOIL DRIVES ME NUTS!!!! I get goosebumps and try and block my ears. So, now I use plastic spoons,forks,cups,& paper plates. Now that I know there are other people who can relate to my issue, I'm going inform my doctor about this and possibly show her this website (if she too thinks I'm crazy and being overdramatic!) Thank you for creating this site and too all of you for sharing your stories!
May 24, 2011 Rating
Me too - glad to have company in this by: Anonymous
I read through the chain and don't see where anybody actually said what this condition is. Does anybody know? I too have lived with it all my life. The sound of metal scraping metal makes me shiver and shake and releases a metallic taste in my mouth. I found a post a few years ago something that sounded like haptosia but can't recall or find it again.
I'm almost 50 now and I'm afraid it might be getting worse, I'm becoming more intolerant of people biting their fork. It seems like more and more pitches are setting me off, where it used to be just a few. Does anybody know what this is. I too am sorry for you all, but very glad to finally have company in this bizarre thing.
May 21, 2011 Rating
Processed food tasting like metal by: Anonymous
Has anyone ever had a situation where certain foods taste like metal? I don't eat much processed food, some of it tastes like metal to me. I remember telling my mother that hot dogs taste like metal, certain ones still do.
May 21, 2011 Rating
doing some research online... by: Melissa J
Thank you for viewing my post! I hope it helps all of you just to know you are not alone.
My son is doing very well. He even counts money at school, his teacher taught him to use a pencil eraser to point and move the coins as he counts. He has decided he wants to wear only long sleeved t-shirts so he can turn door knobs with out touching them. Summer heat is already started so he is using the front of his shirt when he has to.
I have been looking into some web sites about testing your bodies metal content, some people absorb and keep metals from immunizations and minerals and other things we ingest with aluminum, copper ect... Our bodies should shed these metals but some do not. There is help if this is your cause for sensitivity. Some web sites I viewed suggested getting your blood tested for metal levels. I have not had time lately to research any further, hopefully can get time to do it soon. Post if any of you find any information. Thank you!
May 20, 2011 Rating
Metal taste began with science experiments by: Anonymous
I never noticed any abnormal metallic taste in my mouth until I started doing mineralogical experiments where I vaporize or electrolyze different metals into a rock matrix.
Lately, I've noticed whenever I even touch metal like aluminum foil with my hands I immediately get a metallic taste in my mouth.
This effect seems to be related to exposure to metal ions.
great...
May 13, 2011 Rating
Im not the only freak by: Amy
like all of you, i never heard of anyone else with this problem before i found this page. I have to eat with plastic, on plastic. I grab handfuls of plastic to-go utensils when I'm out and can't stand eating in large groups because all i can hear is the clanging of metal together and worse on peoples teeth. i have to teach people how to eat around me. getting out a pot to make dinner is often a long process cause i have to do it slow so there are no noises or possible scraping. When I'm around the problem, i can barely open my eyes and lick my front teeth over and over.Its all been getting worse over time. amy mcdonald hb ca
May 09, 2011 Rating
Wow! by: JenH
I just stumbled onto this site researching what type of flatware to buy for sensitive teeth. I seriously thought I was the only one who had this problem. I can't use certain flatware because it bothers my teeth so much. I can't touch metal either, and if I do I have to wash my hands. The same with keys, doorknobs, and railings. Usually when I go to someone's house, I always wash my hands when I get there. I hate touching money, both paper and coins, because of the smell and feel. It makes my skin crawl. Other than these things, I'm fine. I don't consider myself anal, or obsessive compulsive except with these things. My friends and family always tease me about it, but I'm really just glad to know I'm not alone.
May 05, 2011 Rating
Metal.. GROSS!! by: JLeeL
I am a 25 yr mother of 4 boys and 1 step-daughter. I too have this same problem.. I will not eat with metal forks, spoons or knifes. I prefer plastic plates, bowls, utensils and cups. I also refuse to cook with all metal cook wear.. or be in the room with some one who is. I also hate coins. the smell and the sound are just unbearable. My brother which lives with us and my step-daughter both scrape their teeth with their utensils while eating and it almost kills me. I have been this way for as long as I can remember. All of my family, friends and in-laws keep plastic-wear at their house for when I am there to eat. There has to be a reason for this.. and I would LOVE to know why or what causes this! I have asked doctors and dentist but no one has an answer. Metal makes my skin-crawl, my teeth hurt(yes-HURT) and it just make me want to burst at the seems! If anyone has found a Medical reason for this please please let me know. Jessie_littleton@yahoo.com Thank you
Apr 30, 2011 Rating
Metal Makes Me Cringe by: Anonymous
I have this weird thing for metal also. It happened recently when i ate cereal. I took a bite and i felt the metal from the spoon shoot through me in a cringy way. i cant even handle the touch or rubbing together of metal it feels as though my eardrums are going to bleed or explode. Lately im staying away from all metals.
Apr 19, 2011 Rating
I don't dislike metal, but it is painful to touch by: Anonymous
I used to sell scrap metal. I have never had any problem with it before, however lately touching metal of any type has caused an uncomfortable stinging sensation, which has led to an aversion to any activity which involves touching it.
Feb 10, 2011 Rating
Me too! by: 29 year old
My metal "phobia" is definitely the most quirky thing about me. I don't show any other forms of OCD, but when it comes to metal I have a mental block.
I have a big problem with metal handles, coins, and keys basically. I try to make myself get over it- like I took a job over the summer at a retail store, and made myself count the coins just like everyone else. I just ran to the bathroom and washed my hands afterwards. I CANNOT hold coins in my hands. If I'm at a drive through restaurant and count out coins to pay, I will place a dollar bill on my hand and put the coins on top of it, so it doesn't get mixed with my sweaty palms. Anything metal that is not regularly cleaned is what gets me. Metal cutlery is typically fine, as long as it isn't an ornate piece that has the little black in between the designs. Pots and pans that are washed are fine too. I, too, taste the metal if the smell is on my hands and I am VERY aware of it.
One thing that I can suggest to the parents and to anyone else with this problem- is to make compromises. Touch coins- but then make sure you can wash your hands right afterwards. If plastic cutlery makes you more comfortable? By all means, use it! By you can't really avoid touching coins or doorknobs in the real world. The person who suggested the plastic covers on the ends of keys- that's also what I use. You can buy cute little ones at Walmart.
I recently got engaged, and boy was that an issue. It's "neat" to my fiance that the ring he gave me is the first ring I've ever worn. I clean it almost every day, and since it's a white gold(over 14 kt), it doesn't tarnish. White metals typically make me more comfortable than darker metals.
You CAN work around this! Good luck :)
Feb 06, 2011 Rating
Glad I'm not alone by: Anonymous
I'm also so glad to have found this page. I'm a 20 year old student and for most of my life I have been physically repulsed by coins, keys, watches and jewelery. Even the words 'key' and 'coin' make me shudder a little bit. I've never had an issue with the sound of scraping metal and I don't have too big a problem using steel cutlery though. My earliest memory of any awareness of metal was when I was just a kid and I remember smelling my mum's keys and thinking that the metal smelled like blood. Maybe this is where it stems from? But it makes life seriously difficult. Has anyone seen a doctor or anything about it?
Jan 18, 2011 Rating
Metal mouth by: Anonymous
Just reading these posts make me taste metal in my mouth and my fingertips feel as though I'm touching metal right now. Good to know, though, that it's not just ME.
I, too, use only plastic utensils and prefer to drink only out of plastic glasses. Yea! I'm not alone!
Jan 14, 2011 Rating
hypersensitive to metal scraping together by: Anonymous
I am amazed to see that others have a problem like mine. I have always been hypersensitive to metal scraping together. Forks, knives, spoons, horrible to have a fork scrape my teeth or for someone else to scrape their teeth across a fork. Sharpening knives or swords hitting together in a movie sends a chill up my spine. My father used to rub a couple of coins together between his fore finger and thumb, it sent me climbing the wall.
I also have mild tourettes.
I've never met anyone else who has the same issue!
Dec 22, 2010 Rating
My Problem is More with Metal Touching Metal by: Anonymous
I am a female in her 50s and have had a similar problem as long as I can remember.
I can eat with metal utensils, but I can't stand even the thought of touching a fork to one of my fillings in my teeth. I can't be in the same room is someone is cooking in a metal pot, stirring with a metal utensil.
In a nutshell, I can't stand metal touching metal. I do think I taste it slightly if I think of it as well.
It is a feeling similar to finger nails on a chalkboard, and sends chills down my spine.
I too have been teased over the years by friends and family.
Nov 27, 2010 Rating
No idea why by: JJax
I'm reading these posts while I eat dinner with a plastic fork. I've ALWAYS had a sensitivity to metal: rakes scraping the sidewalk, forks in the sink, people scraping their teeth when they eat...dear God make them stop! I can feel it to my core, like some is drilling into my teeth from my ears. The worst lately has been when wedding ring scrapes the sink. I hate that some of my family think it's funny and will deliberately scrape forks and such against their teeth when they're mad at me. I'm 26 and have no idea when all this started, but it seems like I've been this way forever.
Nov 05, 2010 Rating
tasting metal? smelling sounds? by: Anonymous
For the people who can taste metal when they touch it, try looking up synesthesia and see if anything sounds familiar, didnt read through all the posts to see if anyone has already suggested this, but if they haven't, hope it helps.
Oct 13, 2010 Rating
Relieved by: Don
I am so relieved to find this page! I figured other people felt the same way about metal as me.
I am 23 years old and haven't eaten with metal utensils in at least 7 or 8 years. I've been away from home since I was 19 and don't even own metal utensils. The idea of metal in my mouth could ruin even the best meal. Before I "quit" metal I remember if the utensil touched my teeth it would gag me. My dad has told me that when I was little I hated metal, but grew out of it. (Guess I grew back into it). Haha
The smell of certain railings really freak me out. I have to wash my hands or shower. I don't really have a problem with coins, as long as they are nowhere near my mouth. I don't really worry about germs, and am a proponent of the 3 second rule. :)
Going to the dentist is out of the question, even though I have insurance, and a number of painful cavities.
I usually order things that don't require utensils if I go out to eat somewhere that has silverware. If that isn't an option I have found that many restaurants in my area have plastic "to go" utensils.
I also find that the cold aggravates the condition.
Thanks to everyone who has posted. It makes me feel better to know there are others out there.
Sep 19, 2010 Rating
metal taste in mouth by: Anonymous
Same thing with me, I touch something metal, whether it's a spoon, penny, whatever,i can taste the metal on my tongue. When I hear certain sounds it hurts me as well, like metal scraping on something or chalk on a chalkboard...strange, i was wondering what causes this.
Sep 17, 2010 Rating
I can't stand to touch metal! by: Anonymous
My Parents never believed my claims that touching metal was simply painful for me, until they saw this site. Ever since I was a young kid I remember throwing tantrums about my dad scraping his cutlery on the plate, shrieking 'it hurts!'. As I grew older things got worse. I can't touch any metal without goosebumps raising all over my body (except jewelery for some reason. Silver and gold seem to be the exception.) and something akin to an electric shock running through my body. Additionally the smell of metal makes me feel extremely nauseous.
The worst thing for me though, is having to put metal into my mouth, e.g. cutlery. I find, however, that all this is amplified when I am feeling cold. This makes winter a difficult time of year for me, as I seem to be particularly sensitive to these effects.
Sep 05, 2010 Rating
Experience pain ever? by: Malloy
I have the same problem, plastic, porcelain, glass and smooth metals makes me nauseous to touch, and metal sometimes sends a sharp pain deep and radiates through my bones. If my hands are pruney for any reason, wet or sweaty, I refuse to touch any of the aforementioned. My question then, I suppose, is do any of you experience the sharp pains?
Jul 15, 2010 Rating
I have the same thing...not as extreme by: Anonymous
I have this condition where I hate metal...but it's only certain metals..Like Gold jewelry (that one is the Worst) Rings,Earrings, necklaces, watches, you name it I cant stand to touch it..I can't date a girl who wears a lot of jewelry because of it. Whats worse is watching someone put gold jewelry in their mouth, I immediately get sick to my stomach and want to Throw up! I am 36 and have been this way as long as I can remember...change too..but not quarters, dimes or nickels..just the Pennies...they Feel "Dirty" to me and I must wash hands after handling change...if I don't and then later put my fingers in my mouth and I remember I handled change I have to go brush and gargle if I don't throw up first.
Jul 09, 2010 Rating
I hate metal too! by: Anonymous
I can't stand metal!!!! I turn 29 this month and have been this way for as long as I can remember!!! I eat with plastic utensils and cook with only plastic spoons. I HATE touching silverware and freak if I hear it clank together or eeekk - the dreaded silverware scraping through someone's teeth - Shriek!!! It's like I can feel and taste it through my entire body!! It gives me goosebumps and makes me shiver down to the core!! Everyone thinks I'm crazy or that it's funny to mess with me but it truly is unbearable. I often wonder if I have some sort of chemical imbalance or something. I can't figure out what makes me this way...
Jun 09, 2010 Rating
i taste metal by touch by: Anonymous
I too can taste metal by touching it with my hands. handrails, and things with iron seem to taste the strongest. also coins do this. I thought i was unique, but it sounds like many others are like me.
Mar 18, 2010 Rating
metal phobia ?? by: Anonymous
I can see from the posts that some people are maybe confusing a phobia with a real problem like tasting feeling the metal through the skin. A Phobia is an emotional response like scared of dogs per say.
But tasting feeling metal is not a Phobia it is a reality like allergic to bees or an allergy to something it is a real problem.
Just something to think on and may clarify things about what is exactly the problem emotional or real.
Mar 18, 2010 Rating
same here by: Anonymous
I have had the same problem all my life it was real bad when I was very young I could not stand touching or drinking out of anything metal even most ceramics only glass or plastic could I drink out of. When I was a teenager they had a new pool at my high school that had aluminum poles in the pool for water polo and I could taste and get a tingly feeling when I was as close as 8 feet from the aluminum poles it was strange.
When I worked at a restaurant I used to get free beer after work in stainless steel mixing cups and I had to pour it into a glass or plastic cup to drink it? or it tasted like metal and I could not drink it.
I never told anyone for fear of being called strange even now at 54 if I tell someone they think I?m out of my head and don?t believe me but it is not as bad now at 54. I?m not alone anymore
Jan 26, 2010 Rating
My Update by: Melissa J
I am so happy to see that I have so many comments on my post. I had no idea that so many people are experiencing the same difficulties. My son is now 6 years old and still has issues with smelly metal. He went through a short time last year when he would not touch other people, shake hands high five or hold hands but that went away, thank God. He has really come a long way and still smells to check his hands every now and again but we feel he is making progress. A huge part of his progress is my husband and I building his self esteem. We have noticed his behaviors get worse when he is stressed by busy schedules and our parenting. When we are tired, we have shorter tempers and don't spend quality time with him. We have really tried to give him the coping tools he needs by positive reinforcement and it is working. Good luck to you all and be grateful for the great things in your life, we try everyday to not sweat the small stuff!
Jan 26, 2010 Rating
Thank you thank you thank you! by: Elise
I'm so happy to read this article and the comments posted. My son who is nearly four also hates metal, particularly buttons on his coat and jeans. It must run in the family as my sister is the same. It is a real comfort to me to know that we're not alone and that others out there have the same issue. It has got to the stage where, if his coat is hanging in the hallway, I'm not allowed to walk past with his drink as it will in some way be 'infected' by the metal buttons! Thank you to this website and everyone who has posted on here.
Jan 05, 2010 Rating
Ok ---so I am not crazy!! by: Anonymous
I too have this "thing" when I touch metal. I can taste it, smell it. Just thinking about makes me taste it as well. When touching coins,I can taste them as well. Have to wash my hands right away. Hand rails are another problem along with door handles.
So does anyone know why this happens???
Oct 01, 2009 Rating
I know how he feels by: David
I'm a 27yo male and i had similar problem when i was younger and still do to this day although i have managed to overcome a lot of it now. When i was younger i had to use plastic or wooden handled cutlery and hated, absolutely hated touching coins, especially the smaller 5c and 10c counts. Generally my phobia was limited to smaller pieces of metal such as coins, keys, jewelery ect. I seemed to be fine with larger pieces of metal such as hand rails, pots and pans ect. Like i said, it has improved over the years however it still is there i don't think will ever go away
Aug 28, 2009 Rating
Not always a phobia by: Anonymous
I'm a 33 yr old male and have similar issues. They just developed a few years ago and it seems to only be certain metals and under certain circumstances. I work on a ship, which is essentially a large, floating metal box, and I have been assuming that that has something to do with it.
For me, I get a full-body tingling, almost electrical when I have a certain type of contact with metal. In particular and unfortunately, it is when I rub on metal. Not just casually brushing against it, but for instance, washing pots/pans. My wife thinks I'm just trying to avoid doing dishes, but I get an intense physical sensation that is in no way pleasant from these interactions with the metal.
Its not a phobia for me, so I'm not sure a psychological approach is always the way to deal with this when your children have these aversions.
Aug 17, 2009 Rating
found an article by: Anonymous
There is an article at www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2879.
The story tells of a German researcher who's found that the metallic smell is not the metal but in chemical compounds within our bodies reacting to the metal when we touch it.
We are are a little different, so maybe some of us just have more of those particular compounds. This would explain why some people are bothered only by certain metals, too.
Jul 29, 2009 Rating
Me too! by: Anonymous
I'm 31 and still can't bear the smell of or touching metal - it's almost as if I can feel the smell. I know that sounds crazy but I can taste it, my throat constricts, my ears might ring if its strong enough, sometimes hard to breathe. I can't bear it on my hands - and it seems nothing gets it off! Orange Goop soap seems to get rid of the smell, but now I hate that smell too since I associate it with metal - HA! I just wear gloves a lot now!
Jul 08, 2009 Rating
Blaaaa by: Anonymous
Yeah... I got this problem too. It really sucks. Trying to find ways to get rid of it.
May 29, 2009 Rating
Sensitive to smells by: Anonymous
My 10yo son hates buttons on jeans and coins because they smell. He seems to have a heightened sense of smell overall and can even identify spices in a recipe. This just seems to be a small part of his SPD.
May 27, 2009 Rating
5ps by: 21 yr old woman
I have a dislike of 5ps for this reason and other metal objects such as zips - particularly small metal objects. I think this is at least partly related to the smell of metal.
Mar 21, 2009 Rating
34 yr old Female.Thanks, by: Finally Not WEIRD!
All my life, at least from the time I remember, I've had a problem with smelling and tasting metallic when I came in contact with metal. Even as I am thinking about metal I taste it. Doorknobs, keys, swimming pool ladders and ect...
Last summer I climbed the metal ladder to get out of the pool and my husband French kissed me and he was like oh my gosh that tasted just like metal. I let go of the ladder. We tried again. Nothing. I really would like to understand why this happens.
Also, my work just moved to a new office building. I have a beautiful office space. The only problem a naked beams right beside my desk. I've tried everything from the bottle thing with the sticks sticking out of it to stick ups. The bottle thingy works best but only the cinnamon kind.
Every now and then I smell the smell but what else can I do. People at work think I am weird. I am Printing this page to show them. Thanks again! If anyone figures this out other than washing or lotioning hands constantly that would be a great help.
Feb 20, 2009 Rating
finally people like me. by: suzanne mims
I am a 26 nearly 27 yr old lady who has had a phobia/dislike of metal since I was 15. I think it started at school but not too sure why. I eat with plastic cutlery which I carry round with me everywhere I go.
I constantly get asked why and it gets a bit monotonous after a while but its been so long I tell them all the same thing.
I can tolerate certain things like earrings and the occasional necklace but if I smell the tiniest bit of metal it has to come off.
Coins are a problem and always make my hands smell of metal so I minimize touching them, I use the tips of my fingers to pick them out and automatically smell my hand after. If my hand smells they have to be washed asap!!
I have a severe fear of the dentist and have panic attacks every time I go because of the metal items used to inspect my teeth, metal in my mouth is a big problem and actually makes me gag. I cannot wear rings and touching items such as hand rails makes the smell extremely bad.
I have wised up a bit on what type of metal items smell, mostly brassy items so for those people whose kids have a metal phobia replace door handles with a novelty plastic door knob ,and with the key issue, just place a rubber attachment on the key near the rounded part. I think these would work.
So glad there are people out there, even if they are all the way across the world, that I have something in common with.
Nov 24, 2008 Rating
You are not alone! by: Shell
Our son has just turned 6 years old and has a metal phobia also. It developed around the same time as your sons'(4 yrs) and started with cutlery. He would only eat with a certain plastic handled cutlery saying any other was smelly. This quickly developed in to only using plastic cutlery. From then he stopped touching money, keys, door handles, taps in fact anything metal including toys such as cars or playground equipment.
We got to the point where he would not hold our hands because we were wearing gold (metal) rings or we had touched metal objects. It was a real problem. If the bathroom door was closed he would wet himself rather than touch the handle! He would use his dressing gown to wrap around his bedroom door handle to get out his room in the morning (but then would not wear it as it was smelly).
We tried the hand washing with him but it didn't really help. We tried reward charts for touching things. We bought a coin construction game to play hoping he would join in with us but no. We got a small key operated cash box which we kept in his bedroom and placed a little treat in for him to open in the morning when he 1st woke up. We hoped that without the pressure of us around and the thought of what was in the box he might slowly become desensitized. However, being the bright child that he is he was using a tissue to hold the key!
2 years on not much has changed other than the way we all deal with it. He has placed sellotape around door handle he needs to use, he has his own cutlery that is plastic handled metal cutlery that is not smelly!!! ( the only reward chart success) he will touch taps and hold your hand without a ring! We are much more relaxed than before about it all and he plans his life without metal! He is going to give all his money to his wife to look after.
He takes it all in his stride and will make comments like 'you know I don't touch metal' as if what you have asked of him or commented on is completely stupid! We were seen by the local psychiatric service but they were not really able to help and have never come across this before.
We also have minor issues with socks and under pants at times although this was worse before the metal thing started. Good luck with your son and if you have any ideas, I would be pleased to know about them!
Aug 29, 2008 Rating
Something to try... by: Jessi
I've not had this particular problem, and I'm no expert, but here goes...
What if you found a smell he finds pleasant (some kind of lotion or something) and rub it on and around his nose so that when he works on touching things that bother him, he'll have a pleasing instead of icky smell in his nose. If the metal phobia started out with a problem with the smell, maybe this would help desensitize him to touching it again.